June 26, 2011

May I Divulge a Bit?

I want to pose a question to all of you who care enough to read my entries.

I believe my conviction as a pacifist has actually begun to slip into a more moderate position.  I am not complaining about this, but trying to understand where I might actually stand on things and maybe better describe my own beliefs.

First I want to ask is self defense an act of violence?  let me explain what I am thinking here.  I took a karate class and in it we learned some basic self defense.  The main aspect was avoiding harm, and if necessary inflicting harm to disarm the one attempting to hurt you.  In other words if a man or woman were to come at me with a knife.  I know how to misdirect the knife and then kick the person's knee thereby immobilizing them and allowing me to run away.  Not much of a pacifistic move I know, but I see no issue with doing this.

Second I am beginning to see some credence in the use of force against an oppressive state.  If it were not for the use of war the whole notion of western thought would have never arisen.  One which is based on the writing, passing, and enforcing of laws.  It is through the passing and enforcing of truly just laws that have allowed people to find a degree of peace in this world.  When those laws are unjust that the issue arises.  Laws or standards are necessary means to striving for justice.  Justice is necessary for peace to flourish.

In ideal world justice and peace would serve to enhance one another for each individual person on this world.  This is not an ideal world though.  This does not justify the lack of peace or justice in the world, but instead ought to remind us of the seriousness of the business of peace and justice.  I believe a war waged for just reasons using just means can in fact bring about peace at the cost of momentary violence.  War is not my first choice in any situation, but is not entirely outside my realm of possibilities.

Label me whatever you want.  I do care to know what you think and I'd like to believe that because you are reading this still you care to know what I think.

Blessings

6 comments:

  1. Being in a pacifist church, I have to comment. =)

    Some would say that the church needs to be an eschatological witness of the coming Kingdom of God, which is characterized by peace. The sermon today argued that even in the OT a peaceful response of the people of God is argued; in 2 Kings 6 there's this story about feeding our enemies a feast. Nonviolence isn't just about absence of action; it can be about overcoming evil with good, like Romans 12:20-21 says. We should have more conversation about this, more than a comment can do justice to lol.

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  2. Jasmine I agree with you non-violence is not about an absence of action. However I am coming to realize that sometimes we romanticize the peace we can achieve on this earth and in the same breath become very cynical with the justice we strive for. I saw this in myself and after having revisited this have come to the conclusion that I can fight flawed and justly to achieve a flawed justice and a flawed peace.

    I agree this needs more than a comment.

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  3. One question I have concerning the Romans passage you cited earlier. In verse 21 it says "overcome evil with good." Is it evil or good to defend yourself or those around you with restrained physical force. On the flip side of that is it good or evil allow harm to come to yourself or another?

    Non-violent work is predominately pre-emptive and preventative. That's not to say it cannot react in the presence of violence, but the question when faced with violence is if you will even have time to react before you are overwhelmed?

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  4. These are not my quotes, they are from Greg Boyd. They are worth considering. Also, his sermon series "The Cross and the Sword" along with his book, "Myth of a Christian Nation". Food for thought...

    If Jesus rebuked Peter for using the sword for the most justified of causes (Mt 26:52), how could this not apply to every other cause?
    17 Jun

    Can we imagine Jesus saying to Peter, “u live by sword, u die by sword - & I’m basically ok with this, just not IN THIS 1 INSTANCE”?
    18 Jun

    We must remember that Jesus’ choice to die rather than fight was not only something he did FOR us; it’s the example he gave TO us (Mt 10:38)
    18 Jun

    Finally, remember the UNQUALIFED commands in the NT to love, serve, bless and do good to enemies (e.g. Lk 6:27-35; cf. Rom. 12:14-21).
    18 Jun

    It's curious how noone tries to find exceptions to Jesus' prohibition on adultery, but most do so with his prohibition on violence.
    19 Jun

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  5. Thanks for the quotes. Like I said I don't go looking for a fight and for do my best to avoid it. I just cannot keep saying I am a pacifist right now. I don't agree with the politics that surround war, but I wonder if war itself is a tool forbidden to us as humans. If so then only God can truly wage war. Pondering much when given the chance.

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  6. I'll pass along a blog post from my friend Dan Camacho (he's be a junior at Calvin next year): http://ecclesiasticalgraffiti.wordpress.com/2011/06/10/suheir-hammad-on-war/

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